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MountainViews Area High Points

An attempt to oust and replace the original Ireland's Range High Points list

 
IMPORTANT: Please take 10 minutes to read and digest the contents of this page in full...

​A detailed timeline explaining how this derived list came about is provided in the "Origins of MountainViews' list" section below.

We encourage all self-respecting hillwalkers to boycott MountainViews until they remove the word "range" from their list's title, subtitles, secondary titles, description and in all references to the list (past, present and future). The inward-facing MountainViews committee do not really care about hillwalkers. They only care about themselves and appearing more popular than they actually are.


A MountainViews Area High Point is any summit in Ireland which is the highest point in one of the rudimentary summit group areas plotted by the MountainViews committee. Please note that these areas should not be confused with the actual hill ranges and mountain ranges whose accurate perimeters were originally researched and plotted by Kieron Gribbon in 2015. Please be aware that MountainViews' goal is to fool unsuspecting hillwalkers into believing that their fake list is real in an attempt to oust and replace Kieron Gribbon's original Ireland's Range High Points list.

​The MountainViews Area High Points are a derived list which has been extracted from the MountainViews database which was built entirely by harvesting the following set of third-party original lists in their entirety:

  • The Irish Marilyns
  • The Irish Hewitts
  • The 400-Metre Tops of Ireland
  • The Irish Humps
  • The 500-Metre Tops of Ireland
  • Ireland's County High Points
  • Vandeleur-Lynams
  • The Dillons
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Please be aware that MountainViews are promoting their Area High Points list as a rip-off version of Kieron Gribbon's original Ireland's Range High Points which was first published in December 2015. For context, MountainViews only first announced the existence of their inferior version in January 2025. In that announcement, they refer to the list as the "Mountain Area Highpoints" aka "Range Highpoints" ​despite having been fully aware of Kieron Gribbon's list ever since its 2015 publication. In their January 2025 announcement, Mountain Area High Points appears to have been the preferred title (see screenshots 1, 2 & 3 below), but they have since steered towards Range Highpoints (a title which is already taken and well established). Here are the most likely reasons why they published their own inferior version of an original list:

  1. They forgot about the original since been made fully aware of its existence in December 2015;
  2. They are not up to speed with hillwalking developments outside of the MountainViews website (possibly through ignorance);
  3. They wanted to oust and replace a much more superior third-party original list. That would make them bullies. MountainViews was an unrivalled resource in its early years, and this is their way of dealing with (what they consider) "the competition";
  4. A combination of 1, 2 and 3 among their inward-facing committee members.

Given the fact that MountainViews initially included a reference to their list as the "range highpoints" (see screenshots 1, 2 & 3 below), and that they did not respond or react in any way to our feedback within the timeframe we specified, we can only conclude that reason 3 - "oust and replace" - was their primary motivation. For this reason, the MountainViews Area High Points list has earned a point score of -1. It is only the second hill list to achieve a negative score, and now shares the bottom placing in the All-Ireland hill list rankings.

When they first announced the existence of their list, MountainViews asked for feed back (see screenshots 3 below). We created a webpage on this website and emailed them the link on 13th March 2025. We can confirm that MountainViews committee members viewed our feedback page on multiple occasions each day between 13th March and 19th March (no one else was supplied the link during that time).

We include the MountainViews Area High Points list on our website for the following reasons:
  • to give a complete overall picture of current Irish hill listings;
  • to highlight the true colours and warped inward-facing ambitions of the MountainViews committee;
  • to highlight the impact MountainViews' selfish actions and bullying behaviour can have on the mental health and well-being of legitimate hill list researchers and compilers who have put so much time and effort into their projects.

As of 20th March 2025, the MountainViews Area High Points list comprises 77 summits. These are listed further down this page (click here), where we have indicated whether or not each summit is a proper Range High Point. We have also provided a second list on this page identifying the proper Range High Points which are not on MountainViews' list (click here).
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We cannot promote or recommend the MountainViews Area High Points list as a hillwalking challenge because of its hostile origin and the obvious ambitions of the MountainViews committee to deceive the hillwalking community (including their own followers). If you are looking for an All-Ireland challenge which is based on an original list of summits, we highly recommend Kieron Gribbon's much more superior and thoroughly researched Ireland's Range High Points.

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Please be aware that MountainViews are trying to pull the wool over your eyes (see screenshots 1, 2 , 3 & 4 below). For their plan to work, they are relying on your gullibility, naivety and / or blinkered loyalty.​ Whether you are a self-respecting hillwalker or an organisation who values its reputation, you have been warned. Do not let MountainViews fool you. Steer well clear of this list. If MountainViews ever offers you a certificate for completing this list, you can spare yourself the embarrassment by simply turning it down.

The only acceptable way MountainViews can correct their mistake is by renaming their list to either the "MountainViews Area Highpoints" or the "MV Area Highpoints" without any secondary title or sub-title containing the word "range", and remove all references to "range highpoints" from page titles, list classifications on individual summit pages, all other content, SEO and all newsletters (i.e. all past, present and future issues). These actions would remove any confusion with Kieron Gribbon's original
Ireland's Range High Points list by clearly indicating that their list relates specifically to MountainViews' own in-house "areas". Once this is done, and at our earliest possible opportunity, we will cancel the red alert status and remove all associated red alert messages which are currently visible across The Ireland Walking Guide and High Point Ireland websites.

In the meantime, we encourage all self-respecting hillwalkers to boycott the inward-facing self-serving MountainViews by not using their website while our red alert messages are in place. Looking ahead, if their future actions confirm that they intend to continue their wrongdoing, we will be asking self-respecting hillwalkers to permanently boycott MountainViews. In addition to not using their website, this will also include ignoring the existence of their derived lists and unsubscribing from their newsletter.

If even the slightest trace of a shred of decency, honesty or outward-facingness exists among the MountainViews committee, they will remove the word "range" from the title of their list, the title of its page , the contents of that page and all other references to the list in the past, present and future. This very simple action would be sufficient enough to bring their ongoing and deliberate deception to an end.
 

MountainViews Area High Points

 

What IS on MountainViews' list?


​As of 30th March 2025, there were 77 locations listed as "range & area highpoints" on the MountainViews Area High Points list. Please note that MountainViews do not identify actual range perimeters anywhere on their website or acknowledge those originally plotted by Kieron Gribbon in 2015. For this reason, the word "range" does not belong in their list title, its page title or in any references they make to their list. MountainViews Area High Points are all listed in the table below. It is worth pointing out that 18 of these (shown in the light grey rows) are not proper Range High Points (as explained in the comments column). That's almost a quarter of them! In addition, 66 proper Range High Points (see the black rows in 2nd table below) are not currently featured on the MountainViews Area High Points list. However we fully expect MountainViews to add these in due course as part of their gradual future efforts to sneakily recreate Kieron Gribbon's original list as they attempt to claim all the credit for his painstaking work. Alternatively, they may choose to include high points for all of their even less meaningful "sub-areas". Such a desparate move would produce a seriously diluted list of 405 meaningless "high points".
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Location name Elevation Proper Range High Point? Comments
Carrauntoohil 1,039m Yes Highest Point in MacGillycuddy's Reeks
Brandon Mountain 952m Yes Highest Point in the Dingle Mountains
Lugnaquillia Mountain 925m Yes Highest Point in the Wicklow Mountains
Galtymore Mountain 918m Yes Highest Point in the Galtee Mountains
Baurtregaum 851m Yes Highest Point in the Slieve Mish Mountains
Slieve Donard 850m Yes Highest Point in the Mourne Mountains
Mangerton Mountain 838m Yes Highest Point in the Mangerton Mountains
Purple Mountain 832m Yes Highest Point in the Purple Mountains
Beenoskee 826m No This summit is in the Dingle Mountains, of which Brandon Mountain (952m) is the Range High Point. MountainViews' "Central Dingle" area is not a separate range.
Mweelrea 814m Yes Highest Point in the Mweelrea Mountains
Nephin 806m No This is a standalone summit, therefore cannot be a Range High Point.
Mount Leinster 794m Yes Highest Point in the Blackstairs Mountains
Knockmealdown 793m Yes Highest Point in the Knockmealdown Mountains
Kilclooney Mountain 792m Yes Highest Point in the Comeragh Mountains
Stumpa Dúloigh 784m Yes Highest Point in the Dunkerron Mountains Northeast
Barrclashcame 772m Yes Highest Point in the Sheeffry Hills
Coomacarrea 772m Yes Highest Point in the Glenbeigh Mountains
Croagh Patrick 764m Yes Highest Point in the Croagh Patrick Hills
Kippure 757m No This summit is in the Wicklow Mountains, of which Lugnaquillia Mountain (925m) is the Range High Point. MountainViews' "Dublin" area is not a separate range.
Errigal Mountain 751m Yes Highest Point in the Derryveagh Mountains
Benbaun 729m Yes Highest Point in The Twelve Bens
Slieve Carr 721m Yes Highest Point in the Nephin Beg Range
Slievenamon 721m Yes Highest Point in the Slievenamon Hills
Knockboy 706m Yes Highest Point in the Shehy Mountains
Binn idir an dá Log 702m Yes Highest Point in the Maumturk Mountains
Keeper Hill 694m Yes Highest Point in the Silvermine Mountains
The Paps East 694m Yes Highest Point in the Derrynasaggart Mountains Northeast
Knocknadobar 690m Yes Highest Point in the Doulus Head Hills
Croaghaun 688m Yes Highest Point in the West Achill Hills
Hungry Hill 685m Yes Highest Point in the Caha Mountains Southwest
Maumtrasna 682m Yes Highest Point in the Partry Mountains North
Sawel Mountain 678m Yes Highest Point in the Sperrin Mountains
Croaghgorm 674m Yes Highest Point in the Bluestack Mountains
Cuilcagh 665m Yes Highest Point in the Cuilcagh Hills
Truskmore 647m Yes Highest Point in the Dartry Mountains Northwest
Musheramore 644m Yes Highest Point in the Boggeragh Mountains
Slieve Snaght 615m Yes Highest Point in the Central Inishowen Hills
Slieve League 595m Yes Highest Point in the Southwest Donegal Hills
Slieve Foye 589m Yes Highest Point in the Cooley Mountains
Slieve Gullion 573m Yes Highest Point in the Slieve Gullion Hills
Trostan 550m Yes Highest Point in the Antrim Hills
Knockalongy 544m Yes Highest Point in the Ox Mountains
Moylenanav 539m Yes Highest Point in the Glendowan Mountains
Moylussa 532m Yes Highest Point in the Slieve Bearnagh Mountains
Seefin Mountain 528m Yes Highest Point in the Ballyhoura Mountains South
Arderin 527m Yes Highest Point in the Slieve Bloom Mountains
Mount Eagle 516m Yes Highest Point in the West Dingle Hills
Knockoura 490m Yes Highest Point in the Slieve Miskish Mountains
Divis 478m Yes Highest Point in the Belfast Hills
Carrane Hill 458m Yes Highest Point in the Arigna Mountains
Baraveha 451m Yes Highest Point in the Mullaghareirk Mountains
Croaghnameal 438m No This summit is in the Barnesmore Hills, of which Barnesmore (451m) is the Range High Point. MountainViews' "South Donegal & West Tyrone" area is not a separate range.
Tievealehid 429m Yes Highest Point in the Gweedore Hills
Knocknaskagh 427m Yes Highest Point in the Nagles Mountains
Slieveboy 420m No This is a standalone summit, therefore cannot be a Range High Point.
Mullaghareirk 414m No This summit is in the Mullaghareirk Mountains, of which Baraveha (451m) is the Range High Point. MountainViews' "North Cork" area is not a separate range.
Mount Gabriel 407m Yes Highest Point in the Mount Gabriel Hills
Donald's Hill 399m No This summit is in the Sperrin Mountains, of which Sawel Mountain (678m) is the Range High Point. MountainViews' "Keenaght" area is not a separate range. For context, Keenaght is a barony, part of which covers a western portion of the north Sperrins. The barony's eastern boundary follows the central ridgeline of the north Sperrins. Locals living in the north Sperrins, the Roe valley to the west and Bann valley to the east do not refer to this area as "Keenaght".
Belmore Mountain 398m Yes Highest Point in the West Fermanagh Hills
Slievecallan 391m Yes Highest Point in the Southwest Clare Hills
Maumakeogh 379m Yes Highest Point in the Maumakeogh Hills
Culliagh Southeast Top 369m Yes Highest Point in the South Letterkenny Hills
Knockalla Mountain 363m Yes Highest Point in the East Milford Hills
Shannavara 358m Yes Highest Point in the Shannavara Hills
Tully Mountain 356m No This is a standalone summit, therefore cannot be a Range High Point.
Crusline 355m No This summit is in the Mullaghareirk Mountains, of which Baraveha (451m) is the Range High Point. MountainViews' "North Kerry" area is not a separate range.
Knockanimpaha 344m No This summit is in the Mullaghareirk Mountains, of which Baraveha (451m) is the Range High Point. MountainViews' "West Limerick" area is not a separate range.
Loughanleagh 339m Yes Highest Point in the North Midland Hills
Slieve Bawn 262m No This is a standalone summit, therefore cannot be a Range High Point.
Knockshanawee 209m No This summit is in the South Cork Hills, of which Nowen Hill (535m) is the Range High Point. MountainViews' "South Cork" area is not a separate range.
Inishturk 191m Yes Highest Point in the Inishturk Hills
Uisneach 182m No This is a standalone summit, therefore cannot be a Range High Point.
The Three Sisters NE Top 153m No This is a standalone summit, therefore cannot be a Range High Point.
Clashabeema 137m No This is a standalone summit, therefore cannot be a Range High Point.
Moveen Hill 136m No This is a standalone summit, therefore cannot be a Range High Point.
Knockbane 126m No This is a standalone summit on Lambay Island, therefore cannot be a Range High Point.
An Droim Rua 123m No This is a standalone summit on Inishmore in the Aran Islands, therefore cannot be a Range High Point.

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What is NOT on MountainViews' list


​The 66 proper Range High Points listed below do not currently feature in the MountainViews Area High Points list. As you can see, MountainViews have missed some glaringly obvious ones. We predict that they will sneakily add the following 66 locations to their version of a Range High Points list in due course.
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Location name Elevation Proper Range High Point? Comments
Mullaghanattin 773m Yes Highest Point in the Dunkerron Mountains Southwest
Ben Gorm 700m Yes Highest Point in the Ben Gorm Mountains
Knockowen 658m Yes Highest Point in the Caha Mountains Northeast
Croghan Mountain 606m Yes Highest Point in the Croghan Hills
Garraun 598m Yes Highest Point in the Garraun Hills
Slieve Anierin 585m Yes Highest Point in the Iron Mountains
Bunnacunneen 575m Yes Highest Point in the Partry Mountains South
Slieve Aghkerane 541m Yes Highest Point in the Corraun Hills
Nowen Hill 535m Yes Highest Point in the South Cork Hills
Slieve Croob 534m Yes Highest Point in the Dromara Hills
Arroo 523m Yes Highest Point in the Dartry Mountains Northeast
Brandon Hill 515m Yes Highest Point in the Brandon Hills
Coomagearlahy 506m Yes Highest Point in the Derrynasaggart Mountains Southwest
Raghtin More 502m Yes Highest Point in the Urris Hills
Foilclogh 497m Yes Highest Point in the arhan Horseshoe
Bulbin 494m Yes Highest Point in the West Inishowen Hills
Devilsbit Mountain 480m Yes Highest Point in the Devilsbit Hills
Loughsalt Mountain 469m Yes Highest Point in the West Milford Hills
Minaun 466m Yes Highest Point in the East Achill Hills
Slievereagh 465m Yes Highest Point in the Ballyhoura Mountains North
Crockauns 463m Yes Highest Point in the Dartry Mountains Southwest
Knockmore 462m Yes Highest Point in the Clare Island Hills
Cullaun 460m Yes Highest Point in the Slieve Felim Mountains
Tountinna 457m Yes Highest Point in the Arra Mountains
Barnesmore 451m Yes Highest Point in the Barnesmore Hills
Boleybrack 449m Yes Highest Point in the Dartry Mountains Southeast
Croaghmoyle 430m Yes Highest Point in the Croaghmoyle Hills
Bolus 410m Yes Highest Point in the Bolus Head Hills
Maghera 400m Yes Highest Point in the Slieve Aughty Mountains West
Croaghleheen 385m Yes Highest Point in the Croaghleheen Hills
Slieve Beagh 380m Yes Highest Point in the Slieve Beagh Hills
Cappaghabaun Mountain East 378m Yes Highest Point in the Slieve Aughty Mountains East
Slievenamuck 369m Yes Highest Point in the Slievenamuck Hills
Kesh Corann 359m Yes Highest Point in the Bricklieve Mountains
Cnoc Mordáin 354m Yes Highest Point in the Cnoc Mordáin Hills
Clomantagh Hill 349m Yes Highest Point in the Slieveardagh Hills North
Knocknasilloge 346m Yes Highest Point in the Knocknasilloge Hills
Seefin 345m Yes Highest Point in the Sheep's Head Hills
Slieve Elva 344m Yes Highest Point in the The Burren Hills
Tawnaghmore 340m Yes Highest Point in the Tawnaghmore Hills
Knocknamuck 340m Yes Highest Point in the Slieveardagh Hills South
Gregory Hill 336m Yes Highest Point in the North Letterkenny Hills
Clogrennan Hill 336m Yes Highest Point in the Slievemargy Hills
Crocknasmug 328m Yes Highest Point in the East Inishowen Hills
Brougher Mountain 317m Yes Highest Point in the Brougher Hills
Carricktriss Gorse 314m Yes Highest Point in the Walsh Mountains
Knocknamaddree 313m Yes Highest Point in the Mizen Head Hills
Carn Hill 312m Yes Highest Point in the Carrickfergus Hills
Woodcock Hill 310m Yes Highest Point in the Southeast Clare Hills
Keeraunnageeragh 305m Yes Highest Point in the Keeraunnageeragh Hills
Carronadavderg 301m Yes Highest Point in the Drum Hills
Errisbeg 300m Yes Highest Point in the Roundstone Hills
Crockalough 282m Yes Highest Point in the Malin Head Hills
Barranisky 280m Yes Highest Point in the Southeast Wicklow Hills
Knockanallig 267m Yes Highest Point in the Bere Island Hills
Holywell Hill 260m Yes Highest Point in the Holywell Hills
Barnacuille 260m Yes Highest Point in the North Carrowmore Hills
Benwee Head 255m Yes Highest Point in the Benwee Head Hills
Brislagh 255m Yes Highest Point in the Curlew Mountains
Croaghnamaddy 252m Yes Highest Point in the Horn Head Hills
Mount Oriel 251m Yes Highest Point in the Mount Oriel Hills
Croaghegly 245m Yes Highest Point in the Crohy Head Hills
Knocknascollop Northwest Top 244m Yes Highest Point in the South Carrowmore Hills
Cluidaniller West Top 227m Yes Highest Point in the Arranmore Island Hills
Murren Hill 227m Yes Highest Point in the Fanad Head Hills
Cairngaver 217m Yes Highest Point in the Craigantlet Hills

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Origins of MountainViews' list


(Latest entry: 21st May 2025)

In this section, we provide a timeline of all the key events which have lead to the creation of the MountainViews Area High Points list and their response to our unswerving defence of the original Ireland's Range High Points list. We will continue to update this section if any noteworthy list-related events occur in the future.

1952
  • The original Vandeleur-Lynam list of 2,000-foot Irish summits published.

1970s
  • The Ireland's County High Points list emerges as a new hillwalking challenge.

1990s
  • The Irish Marilyns list published.
  • The Irish Hewitts list published.
  • The 400-Metre Tops of Ireland list published.
  • The Irish Humps list published
  • The 500-Metre Tops of Ireland list published.
  • The Dillons list published.

2000s
  • In response to new lists being published, MountainViews is set up using a new database built entirely by harvesting all summit and high point information from the original third-party 1950s - 1990s lists without having to undertake any map-based original research. This marked the start of MountainViews' "take for free" approach.
  • MountainViews uses "their" database of third-party research to spew out their own set of derived lists without having to undertake any map-based original research.
  • MountainViews ignores the existence of all original third-party lists and starts promoting only its own derived lists plus the Vandeleur-Lynams (an original list they were given full custody of). It is worth pointing out that if the other third-party lists had not existed, MountainViews would not have been created and would certainly not have been expanded beyond the Vandeleur-Lynam list.
  • MountainViews expands their "take for free" approach by inviting hillwalkers to post content on their website.
  • Hillwalkers provide the vast majority of content on the MountainViews website for free.
  • MountainViews establishes itself as the unrivalled online resource for hillwalking in Ireland.

2010s
  • MountainViews rest on their laurels while a growing number of rival websites and phone apps emerge.
  • The MountainViews website begins to look very dated and overly cluttered compared to its rivals.
  • MountainViews repeatedly begged Kieron Gribbon to speak at their 2013 gathering. He declined due to family and other life commitments at the time. Although it was not his intention to offend, it was viewed as a snub by MountainViews, and they have been frosty with him ever since.
  • MountainViews produce a book in an attempt to profit from the data they harvested from third-party hill lists. The information in this book is also freely available on their website. Its primary objective is to make one of their derived lists appear more "official".
  • MountainViews gets into bed with Mountaineering Ireland in another attempt to appear more "official".
  • MountainViews attempts to lower the minimum elevation of a mountain from 2,000 feet to just 500 metres.
  • MountainViews deviates away from being purely an Irish hillwalking resource to include islets and small exposed rocks around the Irish coastline. It also starts to include information about hillwalking outside Ireland. These moves take away all uniqueness that the website once had as an Ireland-only hillwalking resource, marking the start of its decline.
  • MountainViews expands its "take for free" approach by starting to beg for donations on a regular basis. It is worth pointing out that MountainViews is a hobby website - not a charity. It is also worth remembering that the vast majority of its content has been supplied for free by the wider hillwalking community. By begging for donations, MountainViews are effectively asking hillwalkers to buy back what they had contributed for free. It is unclear if people are actually falling for this. Your money would be better spent going to a local Mountain Rescue Team or other registered charity.
  • The number of new daily contributions appearing on the MountainViews website plummets.
  • MountainViews focuses on manipulating Wikipedia content to boost their profile and to place incoming links for their website.
  • Kieron Gribbon publishes the original Ireland's Range High Points list on 5th December 2015 and informs MountainViews of this. The founder of MountainViews' negative and defensive response serves as an adequate acknowledgement.
  • MountainViews feel the need to justify their popularity by regularly quoting unprovable statistics about their website's usage. At one point, a note in their website's footer area claimed they received 11 million visitors per year! They wish. Page views, maybe, but even that is unlikely. Just a random number plucked out of the air. It is also worth questioning the authenticity of the "guests online" figure they display. This is a bit vague, and doesnt specify if it is live, in the last day, week or month. It might not even be the number of visitors, but the number of page views. It could also be set to display a random fluctuating number within a specified range which they can manipulate at any time (e.g. 400-500 when they release a newsletter). Do not take anything for granted. For the egos at MountainViews, it is ALL about looking popular and they will do whatever it takes to prolong that illusion. Update: additional evidence of MountainViews' deception is provided in our 24th April 2025 entry.

2020s
  • The number of new daily contributions appearing on the MountainViews website continues to plummet. Nothing new is posted most days, however there are very noticeable spikes during the days leading up to a newsletter being published. This flurry of last-minute activity is clearly a desperate attempt to make their website look more popular than it actually is. Interestingly, the vast majority of new posts are being contributed by MountainViews committee members. As the older unmoderated crowd-sourced content becomes more and more out-of-date, and without any house-keeping activities taking place, its reliability and trustworthiness decreases.
  • MountainViews give their website a makeover, however it still looks dated. Remarkably, they have managed to make their layout even more cluttered than before, which is quite an achievement in itself.

Early January 2025
  • MountainViews announce that they are developing a new derived list in their January 2025 newsletter, in which they refer to it as "Mountain Area Highpoints" aka "Range Highpoints" (see screenshots 1, 2 & 3 below). They ask for feedback.
  • MountainViews brags in their January 2025 newsletter about the summit database they have built but make no reference to the fact that all the information it contains was harvested from third-party original hill lists (see screenshot 3 below). They state how easy it is for them to create any type of hill list from "their" database. This highlights how lazy their approach really is. In addition, the quality of the MountainViews Area High Points list reveals how unreliable their methods actually are when creating derived lists.
  • Also in their January 2025 newsletter, MountainViews criticise the rich diversity of hill lists that exists in England, Scotland and Wales (the lands where the world's very first hill lists began). They write about not wanting this to happen in Ireland, further indicating their desire to have a monopoly over Irish hill lists, pointing out that they want a smaller set of lists for Ireland (see screenshots 3 below). Ironically, by introducing their Area High Points list, as well as new Provincial 50 lists, they have just added 4 new lists into the mix along with an inferior "remake". A conflict of actions and words there, MountainViews! Whether they like it or not, inward-facing MountainViews are no longer the leading Irish hill list platform. The Ireland Walking Guide now offers a much more comprehensive and impartial service to Irish hillwalkers. Plus, we have repurposed the traditional hill list for Sport Hillwalking. It's no longer all about completing the lists! It hasn't been for a good few years now.

12th January 2025
  • We take an open-minded look at MountainViews "Mountain Area Highpoints" aka "Range Highpoints" list on their website, bearing in mind that it may still be a work in progress. The "Range Highpoints" reference sets off alarm bells that MountainViews may be trying to oust and replace Kieron Gribbon's original list of Ireland's Range High Points. The new MountainViews list consists of 74 summits and we notice that some upland areas have been assigned 2 separate high points (there can only be one). We continue to monitor.

13th March 2025
  • We observe that MountainViews have started to place more emphasis on referring to their new derived list as the "range highpoints" on their website (compare screenshots 3 & 4 below).
  • We create a page on our website detailing our feedback in regard to MountainViews' list. We email the URL of our feedback page to the founder of MountainViews as per the open request for feedback in their January 2025 newsletter.

17th March 2025
  • We can confirm that members of the MountainViews committee have viewed our feedback page several times each day since we emailed them the URL on 13th March. This allows us to say with confidence that they are aware of all the issues they need to put right.

18th March 2025
  • We announce on social media that we will be publishing a dedicated page for MountainViews' latest derived list and will assign an appropriate placing for it in the All-Ireland hill list rankings. This will happen on 20th March, and all associated wording will be based on any response (or lack of) from MountainViews.​
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20th March 2025
  • We update and publish this list page.
  • We assign a score of -1 to MountainViews list because it is an attempt to oust and replace an original list. This gives it a bottom placing in the All-Ireland hill list rankings.
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21st March 2025
  • We announce this page to the world on social media.

22nd March 2025
  • We add screenshots from MountainViews' own website and newsletter to this page as a record of their actions.
  • Red alerts are placed at relevant locations throughout The Ireland Walking Guide and High Point Ireland websites to ensure that visitors are kept informed about MountainViews' fake list. These red alerts direct visitors to this page so they can read the full story, and will remain in place until MountainViews put things right. Red alerts will remain in place permanently if necessary, thereby saving us from having to post updates on social media. Their high visibility locations throughout our websites, including some of our most popular pages, will allow the message to reach many people.

30th March 2025
  • We observe that MountainViews have renamed their list to "range and area highpoints" even though they do not identify actual range perimeters anywhere on their website. Our red alert status and associated messages placed throughout our websites will remain until MountainViews remove the word "range" from their list title, its page title and all references to their list.
  • We invite all self-respecting hillwalkers to boycott the MountainViews website while our red alert status is in place.

2nd April 2025
  • MountainViews have updated their "range and area highpoints" page to include the sentence "Loosely these could be called "Ranges", though the definition isn't agreed on" when referring to their rudimentary mountain areas. They are half right in this statement, but only because the inward-facing MountainViews committee refuses to acknowledge or recognise third-party research which they were not part of. The perimeters plotted by Kieron Gribbon in 2015 using a logical and carefully designed set of criteria is by far the best attempt at accurately identifying the extents of Ireland's hill ranges and mountain ranges. Until someone comes up with a better alternative, Kieron Gribbon's areas are the official ones. MountainViews' newly-added sentence could be interpretted as an attack on Kieron Gribbon's credibility and his efforts to do something they could not be bothered to do themselves. An action we predicted. It remains unclear if it is pride, stubbornness or jealousy that is preventing MountainViews from admitting and undoing their silly mistake. It would be easier to correct their wrongdoing rather than forever trying to justify it. Interestingly, the word "could" in their newly-added sentence clearly demonstrates that MountainViews themselves recognise that "range" does not belong in their list's title.

3rd April 2025
  • We have emailed Mountaineering Ireland, Sport Ireland, and the Database of British and Irish Hills to bring MountainViews' wrongdoing to their attention and to urge them not to give their fake list any recognition. We have encouraged these organisations to not let their relationships with MountainViews cloud their judgement, and asked them to convice MountainViews to correct their wrongdoing. We also asked these organisations to choose Kieron Gribbon's original and far more superior Ireland's Range High Points list over MountainViews' inferior fake version if they want to give recognition to a list of this type.

​8th April 2025
  • Our Irish Hill List Content Manager sent an email to MountainViews for the attention of all committee members to ensure that all decisionmakers are aware of their serious wrongdoing and to remind them that, by failing to correct their unnecessary mistake, they are putting the reputation and credibility of MountainViews at risk of potentially irreparable damage. We also reminded them that they are in the wrong because they attacked an original third-party hill list and that they can bring their silly conflict to an end by simply renaming their list to either the "MountainViews Area Highpoints" or the "MV Area Highpoints" and completely removing the word "range" from the list's title and ALL related content online.

12th April 2025
  • We received an email response from a member of the MountainViews committee. The responder stated that "there has never been a conscious effort on [MountainViews'] part to undermine or attack [third-party] lists". They also invited us to meet with them in person to discuss the situation.

15th April 2025
  • Having discussed MountainViews' email response amongst ourselves and assessed MountainViews' actions online, we decided to turn down their invitation to meet. Since our formal announcement on 21st March 2025 stating that MountainViews' list is an attack on Kieron Gribbon's original Ireland's Range High Points list, they still have not corrected their wrongdoing. Their unwillingness to put things right clearly is a conscious effort to undermine / attack a third-party list. Based on MountainViews' hostile and arrogant approach to this whole situation, we regard any meeting with them as a potential ambush where they would deliberately outnumber us in an attempt to intimidate (or worse!). For our own safety, we declined their meeting invitation, stating that everything we need to say on the matter is clearly set out on this page for them and the rest of the world to see, and that this includes the necessary actions to be taken by them.

24th April 2025
  • MountainViews' latest effort to appear more popular than they actually are sees them increase the settings for the exaggerated "Guests online" figure they display on their website. For the last few years, this has constantly been in the region of 200 - 300. In recent days this has inexplicably jumped to around 1,000. In the past, spikes to around 400 - 500 would only have been observed on the day they announce their latest dismal newsletter (which you can, thankfully, unsubscribe from). There is no evidence of any recent activity that could possibly account for a quadrupling of their traffic in such a short space of time. It would appear MountainViews have adjusted the "Guests online" figure settings to display 1) the number of visitors in the last week, 2) the number of page views in the last 24 hours, or 3) a fluctuating random number in the range 900 - 1400. This desparate action is clearly their response to our questioning of the already exaggerated figures they had been displaying and our calls to boycott their platform. Their action serves as further evidence of their inward-facing ambitions and their willingness to deceive the hillwalking community. Yet again, MountainViews are demonstrating the extent to which their ambitions rely on gullibility, naivity and blinkered unquestioning loyalty. For this reason, in addition to the fact that they have still not correctly renamed their list to "MountainViews Area High Points", we renew our call for all self-respecting hillwalkers to boycott the MountainViews platform. It is worth noting that past contributors to the MountainViews platform are entitled to have their contributions removed upon request.

25th April 2025
  • Knowing that their ability to manually control their website's "Guests online" figure has been uncovered, MountainViews have today reduced the figure to a slightly more realistic range of 400 - 500 (although this is still significantly higher than the actual live figure). We expect MountainViews to keep adjusting the settings for their "Guests online" figure in an ongoing attempt to give the impression that it is fluctuating naturally. It is an extremely sad reflection of MountainViews that they would choose to direct their efforts towards making themselves look more popular than they actually are, rather than simply acknowledging and correcting the name of their latest derived list. Given the range of activities MountainViews are conducting behind the scenes to make themselves look popular and to cling on to a monopoly they never earned, we are now considering setting up a new webpage which focuses on the wider MountainViews project. If that page goes live, it will appear among the top results every time "MountainViews" is searched online (just as this page already does).

2nd May 2025
  • At 06:18 this morning, the "Guests online" figure on the MountainViews website read 2,470. Having monitored this number regularly over the past few years, this is roughly 10 times its normal value which for a long time was consistently in the range 100 - 200 rising to 400 - 500 on days when they release a newsletter. Without any recent observable activity happening on their website to justify such a dramatic increase in visitors, it is now 100% clear that MountainViews are deliberately manipulating their "Guests online" figure. This is a strong indication that their visitor numbers have actually fallen as a result of their list-related wrongdoing and that they are attempting to show that they are increasing. This clearly demonstrates their willingness to deceive the hillwalking community, including their own followers. If you are a self-respecting hillwalker, you will recognise this as a clear signal to stop visiting the MountainViews website.

21st May 2025
  • Over the last few weeks, we have been monitoring MountainViews' "Guests online" figures and checking their traffic stats via a third-party platform. Based on the ~11,000 visits MountainViews received last month (that's an average of ~366 per day or ~15 per hour) and the nature of the website's very niche content, the live "Guests online" is highly unlikely to ever exceed 100 at any given time. This number would be considerably lower when it is night time in Ireland, given that ~90% of MountainViews' visitors are Irish. At night time, the live figure is likely be a single digit if not zero.

The future (our expectations)
  • We expect MountainViews will not admit to, acknowledge, apologise for, or correct their blatant wrongdoing.
  • We expect MountainViews will escalate the situation by continuing their hostile "oust and replace" attack against an original hill list.
  • We expect MountainViews to "bad mouth" The Ireland Walking Guide and High Point Ireland websites and their initiatives at every opportunity they find (e.g. on their website, in their newsletters, on social media, by word-of-mouth, etc,) as they attempt to wrongly paint themselves as the victim or justify their wrongdoing. They may not reference The Ireland Walking Guide and High Point Ireland websites directly by name in these attacks, but they will offer enough of a hint. They might even resort to recruiting their most-blinkered followers to attack on social media on their behalf in order to shield themselves from the blame. However, any such attacks will be assumed to have been instigated and coordinated by the MountainViews committee.
  • We expect MountainViews to make personal attacks against Kieron Gribbon in an attempt to damage his credibility, mental health and well-being (e.g. on their website, in their newsletters, on social media, by word-of-mouth, etc).​ ​
  • We expect MountainViews to do their Wikipedia thing.
  • We expect MountainViews to request backup from Mountaineering Ireland. A lack of expertise in Irish hill lists combined with a blinkered loyalty to MountainViews within Mountaineering Ireland could introduce them to the mix. Naively siding with MountainViews on this issue could be seriously detrimental to their own reputation, so it would be in Mountaineering Ireland's best interests to completely ignore the existence of MountainViews' list. If they feel the need to promote an Irish Range High Points list, we strongly encourage them to select the far more superior and accurate Ireland's Range High Points by Kieron Gribbon.
  • Despite their criticism of hill lists in Great Britain, we expect MountainViews to request backup from the Database of British and Irish Hills (DoBIH). Siding with MountainViews on this issue could be seriously detrimental to their own reputation, so it would be in DOBIH's best interests to completely ignore the existence of MountainViews' list. If they feel the need to promote an Irish Range High Points list, we strongly encourage them to select the far more superior and accurate Ireland's Range High Points by Kieron Gribbon.
  • We expect MountainViews to go snooping around our website in search of something (anything) to use against us. The only thing we believe they will find is typos and content which is currently under development. They are also likely to find ideas to steal and try to claim as their own. They are into that kind of thing, after all.
  • We expect MountainViews to criticise our business model by attempting to compare it to their own begging model. The big difference is that MountainViews asks its visitors to pay for use of their website even though those visitors have contributed 99% of the content. On the other hand, we create 100% of our website content in-house and never ask our visitors for money. The trickle of financial support we receive comes from relevant retailers via online purchases being made using the affiliate links we display across our family of websites. Any money we receive comes from the retailers, not from our website visitors.
  • We expect MountainViews to criticise our website for not going into the same level of spoon-feed detail as they do. They clearly do not see how their approach is lowering the route planning and navigation skills of the entire Irish hillwalking community. On the other hand, we are trying to gently nudge hillwalkers back to using these essential skills by providing a balanced level of content. Click here to find out how we are different...
  • We expect MountainViews to continue to manipulate the "guests online" figure displayed on their website in order to hide the fact that their actual site traffic is plummetting. 

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Relevant terminology


​In this section we attempt to explain the differences between all the various terms used when describing geographical areas and locations which are specific to hillwalking. These include ones we use on The Ireland Walking Guide website and the ones used by MountainViews.

Summits and tops

Summit
The highest point of any raised piece of land from which it is required to drop at least 30m of elevation along the surface before ascending to any higher location. Summits in Ireland which are less than 2,000 feet (609.6m) above sea level are officially classed as hills, while those which are higher than 2,000 feet are classed as proper mountains.

Hill
Summits in Ireland which are less than 2,000 feet (609.6m) above sea level.

Mountain
Summits in Ireland which are more than 2,000 feet (609.6m) above sea level.

Subsidiary top
The highest point of a raised piece of land close to a higher summit from which it is required to drop less than 30m of elevation along the surface before ascending to that higher summit.

Areas

Upland area
Another word for range. An upland area is a geographical region where the land surface is sufficiently hilly or mountainous to be described as a hill range or mountain range. Some sources classify an area as being upland if it lies above an enclosing 300m contour. We believe this definition is too general as it disregards lower hilly areas which are distinctly not lowland in nature. The term "upland area" is widely used when referring to a singular hill range or mountain range, however we mainly use it in plural form when referring to a mixture of both mountain ranges AND hill ranges collectively. An upland area is a group of hill summits and / or mountain summits which are connected by elevated ridge lines. Its perimeter is defined by a combination of rivers, valleys, lakes, coastlines, cols, and / or obvious flattening of the surrounding lower ground. Due to the fact that all the summits in a range must be connected by ridge lines, it cannot possibly be bisected by an inflowing natural watercourse (e.g. a river or stream). In other words, all natural watercourses flowing within an upland area must have all their sources in that same upland area. If an upland area contains at least 2 proper mountain summits (i.e. Hewitts), we will refer to it as a "mountain range". If it does not, we will refer to it as a "hill range".

Hill range
An upland area containing less than 2 proper mountain summits (i.e. Hewitts).

Mountain range
An upland area containing 2 or more proper mountain summits (i.e. Hewitts).

Range
Another term for upland area, hill range or mountain range. We use the term "range" only where its meaning is absolutely clear (e.g. "Slieve Donard is the highest summit in the Mourne Mountains range", or "the Range High Point of the Mourne Mountains is Slieve Donard"). If a range contains at least 2 proper mountain summits (i.e. Hewitts), we will refer to it as a "mountain range". If it does not, we will refer to it as a "hill range".

Mountain area
A term used loosely by MountainViews when referring to one of their own rudimentary summit group areas. The majority of their mountain areas do not actually contain any mountain summits, so this term is somewhat misleading. A close look at these dot-to-dot areas reveal that many of them miss large chunks of high ground and include portions of low ground beyond. Many of the coastal areas even include sea. Some also cross rivers. Only a fool would believe that MountainViews' mountain areas are hill ranges or mountain ranges. These areas only serve a purpose within the MountainViews website and are of no geographical significance in the real world. As such, MountainViews Area would be a much more appropriate term.

Mountain sub-area
A term used loosely by MountainViews when referring to one of their own rudimentary summit sub-group areas. The vast majority of their ~405 mountain sub-areas do not actually contain any mountain summits, so this term is somewhat misleading. These areas only serve a purpose within the MountainViews website and are of no geographical significance in the real world. As such, MountainViews Sub-Area would be a much more appropriate term.

MountainViews Area
A term used by us when referring to one of MountainViews' rudimentary summit areas.  This reflects the fact that these areas only serve a purpose within the MountainViews website and are of no geographical significance in the real world.

Area
Any multi-summit geographical area in Ireland for which a high point has been identified. These include provinces, counties, local council areas, upland areas (aka ranges), major islands, major river catchment areas, and 20km radius circles centred on their high point.

High Points

Range High Point

The highest point in a hill range or mountain range whose perimeter was accurately researched and plotted by Kieron Gribbon in 2015.

MountainViews Area High Point

A term used by us when referring to the highest point in one of MountainViews' rudimentary summit areas. We would advise MountainViews to refer to these summits collectively as the MountainViews Area High Points.

Mountain Area High Point
A term used loosely by MountainViews when referring to the highest point in one of their own rudimentary summit group areas. The majority of their mountain areas do not actually contain any mountain summits, so this term is somewhat misleading. We would advise MountainViews to refer to these summits collectively as the MountainViews Area High Points.

Range Highpoint
A term used loosely by MountainViews when referring to the highest point in a hill range or mountain range (please note that they do not use a space to split the word "highpoint"). MountainViews have never attempted to accurately research and plot the perimeters of hill ranges and mountain ranges in Ireland. They have also never acknowledged the extensive research in this field carried out and published by Kieron Gribbon in 2015. Unfortunately it is not in their nature to acknowledge the existence of any third-party contributions to Irish hill listings. They only give recognition if such work, no matter how trivial, is carried out in the name of MountainViews. All of this makes it impossible for MountainViews to ever present a credit-worthy version of a range highpoints list - or any hill list - of their own. We would advise MountainViews to refer to these summits collectively as the MountainViews Area High Points to avoid them being confused with the original list of Ireland's Range High Points.
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MountainViews Screenshots


 

Screenshots 1 and 2 were taken from MountainViews' January 2025 newsletter. As you can see, these clearly show that their new derived list was to be known as the "Mountain Area Highpoints".
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Screenshot 1
​MountainViews newsletter (January 2025)

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Screenshot 2
​MountainViews newsletter (January 2025)

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Screenshot 3 (below) was also taken from MountainViews' January 2025 newsletter. As you can see, the main title clearly shows that their new derived list was to be known as the "Mountain Area Highpoints". However, they use the phrase "Mountain Area Highpoints" aka "Range Highpoints" later in Screenshot 3. Are they actually implying that their rudimentary in-house mountain areas equate to hill / mountain ranges. Who do they think they are kidding? In addition, they are taking a dig at the diverse selection of hill lists in England, Scotland and Wales. They also state that such diversity would be bad in Ireland. This clearly demonstrates MountainViews' inward-facing ambition to monopolise Irish hill lists and drive out any "rivals". Oh, and there already is a popular website who lists all Irish hill lists in their comprehensive and impartial platform: The Ireland Walking Guide! Click here for a full list...

Screenshot 4 (below) was taken from the MountainViews website on 22nd March 2025. It clearly demonstrates that MountainViews have changed direction and are now referring to their new derived list as the "Range Highpoints". Who is making these embarrassing decisions? Screenshot 4 also includes an image showing the Belfast  Hills as an example of their "mountain areas". First of all, there are no mountains in the main area they have highlighted (blue polygon). Secondly, the Belfast hills do not extend to the mouth of Strangford Lough. Thirdly, substantial areas of sea and low ground inside the blue polygon rules it out as being a hill / mountain range. And finally, the green "sub-area" straddles the Strangford Lough outflow, therefore it cannot be classed as a hill / mountain range. Was this really the best example they could share? Embarrassing.

We have placed screenshots 3 and 4 side by side below to allow you to easily compare them on a computer screen.

  • Click here for the original list of Ireland's Range High Points (not the inferior MountainViews "remake". ​

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​MountainViews newsletter (January 2025)

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​MountainViews website (22nd March 2025)

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MountainViews Area High Points (not the Range Highpoints or Mountain Area Highpoints)

The MountainViews Area High Points list

[NARHP] indicates that the location is not a Range High Point
  • Carrauntoohil (1,039m)
  • Brandon Mountain (952m)
  • Lugnaquillia Mountain (925m)
  • Galtymore Mountain (918m)
  • Baurtregaum (851m)
  • Slieve Donard (850m)
  • Mangerton Mountain (838m)
  • Purple Mountain (832m)
  • Beenoskee (826m) [NARHP]
  • Mweelrea (814m)
  • Nephin (806m) [NARHP]
  • Mount Leinster (794m)
  • Knockmealdown (793m)
  • Kilclooney Mountain (792m)
  • Stumpa Dúloigh (784m)
  • Barrclashcame (772m)
  • Coomacarrea (772m)
  • Croagh Patrick (764m)
  • Kippure (757m) [NARHP]
  • Errigal Mountain (751m)
  • Benbaun (729m)
  • Slieve Carr (721m)
  • Slievenamon (721m)
  • Knockboy (706m)
  • Binn idir an dá Log (702m)
  • Keeper Hill (694m)
  • The Paps East (694m)
  • Knocknadobar (690m)
  • Croaghaun (688m)
  • Hungry Hill (685m)
  • Maumtrasna (682m)
  • Sawel Mountain (678m)
  • Croaghgorm (674m)
  • Cuilcagh (665m)
  • Truskmore (647m)
  • Musheramore (644m)
  • Slieve Snaght (615m)
  • Slieve League (595m)
  • Slieve Foye (589m)
  • Slieve Gullion (573m)
  • Trostan (550m)
  • Knockalongy (544m)
  • Moylenanav (539m)
  • Moylussa (532m)
  • Seefin Mountain (528m)
  • Arderin (527m)
  • Mount Eagle (516m)
  • Knockoura (490m)
  • Divis (478m)
  • Carrane Hill (458m)
  • Baraveha (451m)
  • Croaghnameal (438m) [NARHP]
  • Tievealehid (429m)
  • Knocknaskagh (427m)
  • Slieveboy (420m) [NARHP]
  • Mullaghareirk (414m) [NARHP]
  • Mount Gabriel (407m)
  • Donald's Hill (399m) [NARHP]
  • Belmore Mountain (398m)
  • Slievecallan (391m)
  • Maumakeogh (379m)
  • Culliagh Southeast Top (369m)
  • Knockalla Mountain (363m)
  • Shannavara (358m)
  • Tully Mountain (356m) [NARHP]
  • Crusline (355m) [NARHP]
  • Knockanimpaha (344m) [NARHP]
  • Loughanleagh (339m)
  • Slieve Bawn (262m) [NARHP]
  • Knockshanawee (209m) [NARHP]
  • Inishturk (191m)
  • Uisneach (182m) [NARHP]
  • The Three Sisters NE Top (153m) [NARHP]
  • Clashabeema (137m) [NARHP]
  • Moveen Hill (136m) [NARHP]
  • Knockbane (126m) [NARHP]
  • An Droim Rua (123m) [NARHP]​​

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